The Kickstarter Needs You
While this has a chance of being very good, it also has a much higher chance of being very, very bad.
As sources, they’ll be using Jackson Katz, who did a recent TED talk that completely erased male victims of violence, and Kimmel, a feminist who has a history of erasing male victims and strengthening the gender binary kyriarchy.
Sir You Are Being Mocked already did a post on this.
Unfortunately, the Kickstarter has already reached its fundraising goal. Please avoid giving it any further support.
No. A fucking alien could be used as a source and this would STILL need support. Siryouarebeingmocked is a HUGE fucking whiney’ass baby. He/she will fucking say that ANYTHING giving men support isn’t enough. They will reblog my anti-misandry posts because I didn’t victimize men enough. He/she will ALWAYS find a reason to dislike something IN SUPPORT OF MEN. That is bull shit. I highly recommend that you disregard anything said by siryouarebeingmocked. Because OBVIOUSLY those people DON’T ignore men or else they wouldn’t be used as sources. If you honestly want to change the view of violence against men then be fucking grateful that someone is on your side. Don’t say that the people aren’t good enough to help tge cause, help is fucking help.
First, Siryouarebeingmocked did not at all influence our decision to make our post. We came across their response while writing ours. Second, if you do have any objections to any of Siryouarebeingmocked’s posts, feel free to send us a link and we’ll happily take a look. Did they actually reblog any of your posts?
Most importantly, your reasoning is severely flawed. We shouldn’t be “grateful” that someone is “against violence against men” if they’re being problematic. As an extreme example, would you really applaud someone just for saying “hitting women is wrong!” if they committed rape daily and ate live babies for all of their meals?
The people behind this Kickstarter have a clear history of creating incredibly problematic content. The fact that they claim to care for these issues doesn’t change the fact that they are not just ignorant of what the issues actually are, but an active part of the problem. They’re still harmful and are standing in the way of gender equality.
"Pray away the gay" organizations claim they’re attempting to help people with homosexual inclinations. Should we accept them as allies in the fight for LGBT rights just because of that claim? Proponents of the Duluth model claim they’re giving a voice to victims of domestic violence, but in reality are responsible for silencing many. Should we accept them as allies in the fight for gender rights just because of that claim? This Kickstarter is no different.
@AB: I’m pretty sure I have a right to express an opinion on the nature of the ‘help’ being provided by those who claim to be helping men. As does anyone, really, male, female or other. And, frankly, if you think for even a second you have the standing to tell the people you claim to be helping how to react to you, you’re not thinking of yourself as an ally, but an authority who should be in control. You know, the exact thing many feminists are afraid of male allies doing? Claiming to want to help, coming in, and taking over?
What’s really odd is that non-feminist speakers on men’s issues, including women, have had feminists protesting and breaking the law in attempts to silence them as far back as the 70s and as recently as, let’s see, April. Almost as if they only supported discussions of male issues when it didn’t conflict with their ideology. Even most discussions of ‘toxic masculinity’ (which is likely what this documentary will be about) by the likes of Michael Kimmel and Jackson Katz blame it pretty much entirely on men. Despite being the primary caretakers of children throughout most of their childhood (‘Mother knows best!’), and their desires affecting how (straight, at least) men behave for pretty much their entire adult life, women apparently have no influence on society’s conceptions of masculinity. It’s all men’s fault.
Also, I literally pointed out how Kimmel was the spokeman of an activist organization which pushed for discriminatory legal policies against men. And how the documentary is, given the track records of those involved, apparently going to blame social expectations of masculinity for men’s poor performance, not the programs intended to help girls learn when they were falling behind that went too far the other way, or, heck, proven actual bias in the school system itself. In June 2012, Obama himself said in Newsweek that girls doing better in education than boys was a ‘great accomplishment’. If you can find me any evidence whatsoever that any significant amount of feminists went “hold the phone, how is that supposed to be a good thing?”, I’d be much obliged.
Interestingly enough, coming in and taking over is exactly what feminists tend to do with everything so they’re probably just projecting their own behaviour onto men, as usual. Men generally don’t do that, though they’d probably just decide everything they disagree with is “taking over”.